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nevermorethroppish) wrote2022-02-22 09:27 am
nevermorethroppish) wrote2022-02-22 09:27 am
Lovewater Application
Your name: Danii
Contact(s): gamenotifications @ gmail / yarnzipan @ plurk
Link to reserve: https://lovewater.dreamwidth.org/1834.html?thread=13866#cmt13866
Character name: Liir Thropp / Ko
Canon: The Wicked Years books by Gregory Maguire, a retelling/reimagining of the Wizard of Oz
Age: unknown, late 30s
Gift from Miss L: protection for Oziandra Thropp/Rainary Ko, his daughter
Powers and abilities: TLDR: magic, specifically using memory and the past, and physical resilience
Liir, like his mother, is a bit of a reality warper with his magical abilities. Unlike his mother, who eventually trained and directed her magic using the Grimmerie, Liir's never had any formal training and hardly acknowledges that he has any magic whatsoever except to try and avoid using it. That means that occasionally, he can will things accidentally (kind of like Harry Potter pre-Hogwarts) though mostly this takes the most subtle form imaginable. What he's managed to work out on his own usually involves dealing with memory and the past of objects, places, and things.
Canon proven magical acts include: flying the broom, willing the branches of the broom back to life, picking up memories from people, places, and objects, leaving his body to travel back in time and through space, resisting the spell of a powerful witch, hearing the voices of the dead, and using the power of memory to revert someone from a false form to their true form.
He's a little stronger and much more resilient than he has any right to be: despite falling from flying/airplane height AFTER being savaged by dragons, he manages a full recovery with what amounts to bandages and happy thoughts. This isn't so much a one off as he was used to children throwing rocks at him as a child and they apparently 'bounced'.
He's also got SOME connection with dragons, stated during one section then supported by the fact that the dragons attacked him when they weren't supposed to (according to their trainer) but did not kill him like every other target.
More mundanely, he's an EXCELLENT organizer, very good with numbers and processes (less so with people) and a good sportsman.
Personality:
I've written a few things on him before, but that was more in dealing with him at a much younger age (and section of canon), so I'll take a second to address him at the point in canon where I'm taking him from.
Liir is a prickly, awkward man who's spent most of his life adrift for one reason or another. He's uneducated, but exceptionally smart as well as a quick learner in every other category outside of 'how people work' and unfortunately, that includes himself. He's a prime example of someone who had talent and even ambition but never at the right time or the right place to do him or anyone else any good. That's made him EXTREMELY self-depreciating, self-conscious, and there is a lot that he hates himself for without any real excuses made. It's part of why he won't take power easily; he doesn't trust himself with it as he's seen what it did to his mother (namely, drove her insane). He is, however, a much better person than he thinks he is and some of his biggest mistakes have been in not believing that.
Emotionally, he's very childish. He loves deeply and desperately, willing to do almost anything for the person he cares for; he worked tirelessly for Cherrystone as his father figure, tried to fulfill Elphaba's last obligations, blew up dragons with Trism as much for Trism's sanity as for anything else. Physical touch and affection are kind of like a drug for him, since he wasn't given any while growing up. At the same time, hurting him, while hard, can have a very nasty backlash and sometimes the whys and hows of it are both difficult to figure out and not even someone's fault; a friend he made in the barracks was eventually drummed out of the service due to a spiteful measure on Liir's part and the man very well might have hung himself. Hence the prickly. Regardless, he's never ever closed his heart. It's caused him pain and suffering and the deepest sadness, but that's one thing he's never done. He put it best himself: "It’s the only condition I know. Bitter love, loneliness, contempt for corruption, blind hope. It’s where I live. A permanent state of bereavement. "
Sarcasm and pessimism are his bread and butter, though the fact that he tends to look at the world from a slightly different angle than anyone else can sometimes have him using the most negative feelings towards the most hopeful of goals; turn left enough times and you do end up in the same place you'd have been had you turned right. Very very pragmatic, he'll poke the holes in a plan until it looks like swiss-cheese, but only because he doesn't want the failure to cost more than doing nothing at all for those involved. While he enjoys niceness, he doesn't know what to do with it and tough love is really the only kind he knows how to give; he didn't want to give up his daughter but he knew her best chance was with Glinda so he didn't even pause in doing it.
In a lot of ways, he's a list of contradictions: he's a coward who'll do what's necessary when it's necessary... mostly because he doesn't think he's worth protecting. He's a snappish, cranky bastard who loves people but can't stand the thought of them wasting time and energy in loving someone like him. He's an intelligent man who's seen most of his own world who still thinks of himself as a bumpkin but has the pessimism earned by experience. He's deeply insightful, but mostly because he's looking at things from a different direction than others.
His more passive nature makes some think that he's wishy washy, but really, he's anything but. He's not the seaweed, swayed by the smallest wave; he's the rock, and plenty of ideas and insults and what have you have crashed up against him but, battered or not, he's still alive and in the end, it's his stubborn insistence on his principles that ends up setting things right.
In short, he takes after his mother and his father both though he'd never think that was true.
As a father, Liir is awkward, guilty, inexperienced, and tolerant. He never wanted to be apart from his daughter, even if he knew it was the best for her. His own upbringing was largely loveless (at least in the most obvious ways) and he doesn't know what to do with Rain but he's done the one thing his mother never did which was make her aware that she is loved. It's for that reason that he takes her jibes and insults and snapping and jabs; he feels he deserves it, but he also thinks that maybe after a while she'll accept that no matter what she does, he's still her father and he still loves her.
Which is also how he feels about the two loves of his life. Liir is canonically bisexual, though I'd think that he's more closely attracted to men than women (much as his mother had a more meaningful connection with Glinda in some ways than Fiyero). Candle left him out of disgust for his pacifism and unwillingness to try and fix the world with the Grimmerie himself. Trism left and joined Mombey and stood there and let them nearly kill him, but Liir says quite firmly at the end of the last book that 'the front door is open for one, the back door is open for the other' and that they'll wander back when and if they want to with his affections for them none the worse for wear.
Reactions to Lovewater: Honestly, he's going to be a little amazed by it all. He's never been out of the land of Oz, and it has a lot of very odd propriety in places and a complete lack of it in others. He'll be reminded of Quaddling country, which is not a particularly good memory while the place itself is going to give him a bit of a trip due to the general positivity and gentleness (Oz... isn't that) once he gets into the water, he'll be swimming around like a Duck. This man is touchstarved and affectionstarved and lovestarved and he feels INTENSELY and 150% and he's utterly ridiculous. It'll be good for him, even if he's going to be awkward about it.
History: Liir @ Wicked Wiki
ETA: Miss Lovewater would have come upon Liir in the little cabin at Nether How, writing his treatise and waiting for anyone to walk through the door. His daughter gone, his prospects slim, he'd know what his priorities were and protecting Rain is the main one; the other two, as much as he loves them, can take care of themselves and he hardly thinks of what he can do or how he does it as much worth trading off. He doesn't even know how he'd handle being any other way but the way he is. Thus the deal honestly would have been simple and relatively fast and a little part of him would have wondered if this was blasphemy but most of him wouldn't care.
Sample 1: Log Sample
Sample 2: Comm Sample
Contact(s): gamenotifications @ gmail / yarnzipan @ plurk
Link to reserve: https://lovewater.dreamwidth.org/1834.html?thread=13866#cmt13866
Character name: Liir Thropp / Ko
Canon: The Wicked Years books by Gregory Maguire, a retelling/reimagining of the Wizard of Oz
Age: unknown, late 30s
Gift from Miss L: protection for Oziandra Thropp/Rainary Ko, his daughter
Powers and abilities: TLDR: magic, specifically using memory and the past, and physical resilience
Liir, like his mother, is a bit of a reality warper with his magical abilities. Unlike his mother, who eventually trained and directed her magic using the Grimmerie, Liir's never had any formal training and hardly acknowledges that he has any magic whatsoever except to try and avoid using it. That means that occasionally, he can will things accidentally (kind of like Harry Potter pre-Hogwarts) though mostly this takes the most subtle form imaginable. What he's managed to work out on his own usually involves dealing with memory and the past of objects, places, and things.
Canon proven magical acts include: flying the broom, willing the branches of the broom back to life, picking up memories from people, places, and objects, leaving his body to travel back in time and through space, resisting the spell of a powerful witch, hearing the voices of the dead, and using the power of memory to revert someone from a false form to their true form.
He's a little stronger and much more resilient than he has any right to be: despite falling from flying/airplane height AFTER being savaged by dragons, he manages a full recovery with what amounts to bandages and happy thoughts. This isn't so much a one off as he was used to children throwing rocks at him as a child and they apparently 'bounced'.
He's also got SOME connection with dragons, stated during one section then supported by the fact that the dragons attacked him when they weren't supposed to (according to their trainer) but did not kill him like every other target.
More mundanely, he's an EXCELLENT organizer, very good with numbers and processes (less so with people) and a good sportsman.
Personality:
I've written a few things on him before, but that was more in dealing with him at a much younger age (and section of canon), so I'll take a second to address him at the point in canon where I'm taking him from.
Liir is a prickly, awkward man who's spent most of his life adrift for one reason or another. He's uneducated, but exceptionally smart as well as a quick learner in every other category outside of 'how people work' and unfortunately, that includes himself. He's a prime example of someone who had talent and even ambition but never at the right time or the right place to do him or anyone else any good. That's made him EXTREMELY self-depreciating, self-conscious, and there is a lot that he hates himself for without any real excuses made. It's part of why he won't take power easily; he doesn't trust himself with it as he's seen what it did to his mother (namely, drove her insane). He is, however, a much better person than he thinks he is and some of his biggest mistakes have been in not believing that.
Emotionally, he's very childish. He loves deeply and desperately, willing to do almost anything for the person he cares for; he worked tirelessly for Cherrystone as his father figure, tried to fulfill Elphaba's last obligations, blew up dragons with Trism as much for Trism's sanity as for anything else. Physical touch and affection are kind of like a drug for him, since he wasn't given any while growing up. At the same time, hurting him, while hard, can have a very nasty backlash and sometimes the whys and hows of it are both difficult to figure out and not even someone's fault; a friend he made in the barracks was eventually drummed out of the service due to a spiteful measure on Liir's part and the man very well might have hung himself. Hence the prickly. Regardless, he's never ever closed his heart. It's caused him pain and suffering and the deepest sadness, but that's one thing he's never done. He put it best himself: "It’s the only condition I know. Bitter love, loneliness, contempt for corruption, blind hope. It’s where I live. A permanent state of bereavement. "
Sarcasm and pessimism are his bread and butter, though the fact that he tends to look at the world from a slightly different angle than anyone else can sometimes have him using the most negative feelings towards the most hopeful of goals; turn left enough times and you do end up in the same place you'd have been had you turned right. Very very pragmatic, he'll poke the holes in a plan until it looks like swiss-cheese, but only because he doesn't want the failure to cost more than doing nothing at all for those involved. While he enjoys niceness, he doesn't know what to do with it and tough love is really the only kind he knows how to give; he didn't want to give up his daughter but he knew her best chance was with Glinda so he didn't even pause in doing it.
In a lot of ways, he's a list of contradictions: he's a coward who'll do what's necessary when it's necessary... mostly because he doesn't think he's worth protecting. He's a snappish, cranky bastard who loves people but can't stand the thought of them wasting time and energy in loving someone like him. He's an intelligent man who's seen most of his own world who still thinks of himself as a bumpkin but has the pessimism earned by experience. He's deeply insightful, but mostly because he's looking at things from a different direction than others.
His more passive nature makes some think that he's wishy washy, but really, he's anything but. He's not the seaweed, swayed by the smallest wave; he's the rock, and plenty of ideas and insults and what have you have crashed up against him but, battered or not, he's still alive and in the end, it's his stubborn insistence on his principles that ends up setting things right.
In short, he takes after his mother and his father both though he'd never think that was true.
As a father, Liir is awkward, guilty, inexperienced, and tolerant. He never wanted to be apart from his daughter, even if he knew it was the best for her. His own upbringing was largely loveless (at least in the most obvious ways) and he doesn't know what to do with Rain but he's done the one thing his mother never did which was make her aware that she is loved. It's for that reason that he takes her jibes and insults and snapping and jabs; he feels he deserves it, but he also thinks that maybe after a while she'll accept that no matter what she does, he's still her father and he still loves her.
Which is also how he feels about the two loves of his life. Liir is canonically bisexual, though I'd think that he's more closely attracted to men than women (much as his mother had a more meaningful connection with Glinda in some ways than Fiyero). Candle left him out of disgust for his pacifism and unwillingness to try and fix the world with the Grimmerie himself. Trism left and joined Mombey and stood there and let them nearly kill him, but Liir says quite firmly at the end of the last book that 'the front door is open for one, the back door is open for the other' and that they'll wander back when and if they want to with his affections for them none the worse for wear.
Reactions to Lovewater: Honestly, he's going to be a little amazed by it all. He's never been out of the land of Oz, and it has a lot of very odd propriety in places and a complete lack of it in others. He'll be reminded of Quaddling country, which is not a particularly good memory while the place itself is going to give him a bit of a trip due to the general positivity and gentleness (Oz... isn't that) once he gets into the water, he'll be swimming around like a Duck. This man is touchstarved and affectionstarved and lovestarved and he feels INTENSELY and 150% and he's utterly ridiculous. It'll be good for him, even if he's going to be awkward about it.
History: Liir @ Wicked Wiki
ETA: Miss Lovewater would have come upon Liir in the little cabin at Nether How, writing his treatise and waiting for anyone to walk through the door. His daughter gone, his prospects slim, he'd know what his priorities were and protecting Rain is the main one; the other two, as much as he loves them, can take care of themselves and he hardly thinks of what he can do or how he does it as much worth trading off. He doesn't even know how he'd handle being any other way but the way he is. Thus the deal honestly would have been simple and relatively fast and a little part of him would have wondered if this was blasphemy but most of him wouldn't care.
Sample 1: Log Sample
Sample 2: Comm Sample